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the new 2025 Defender is now out for ordering - I've been checking that out online for changes vs the 2024. gx or 110? what a tough call. the 2025 defender gives you the same (bigger) main central screen on all trims, plus a better stereo. you can still do the 110 in 19" rims, but no more of...

Ugh... I have an older LR model and it's been wonderful. But the technology is not Privi and it's a simpler model in many ways. I think if the Defender stops when there's a tech issue, clearly that's a problem. Unless it's unsafe to drive, the car should continue to work, even if there's a...

I agree and share the same buyer perspective. Unfortunately, car companies are hoping customers agree to pay them "ever green" revenue, and so subscriptions is what they are trying. It will fail, but it will take some time to do so. I would tell Lexus you either sell me the car or you...

the lack of "moon roof deletes" at either GX or LR manufacturing facilities, IMO has to do with capacity. Making some with a moon roof, and then some without a moon roof, it's too expensive. To get the greatest # of SUVs produced, they pick one of the variants and then that's what everyone...

LR tech really is cool in some subtle ways. For my existing LR I paid for satellite NAV with internal map storage - sounds normal, but it's not. When you depend on Google for your maps, Google collects all your info and then advertises back at you. All your maps, favorites, destinations, and...

The Defender vs GX OT is the comparison of the year. There's going to be loads of reviews comparing these two, because they are so close in who they are marketing to, and the price points and capabilities are also close. The outlier is the G Wagon, which IMO, is what you buy if you want to...

The battery only EV is losing ground to the more popular hybrids. The GX is likely to go hybrid, but not full EV anytime soon. Ineos - as a chemical company - has access & experience with hydrogen, and is working to offer a hydrogen Grenadier. This would seem to be way more environmentally...

Toyota definitely has been listening. A high end Bronco is easily $80k, and at that price point, why not offer a full luxury inside, matched to an SUV that can follow your neighbor's Wrangler that rides on Firestone Destination type tires? Wonderful combo.

I don't really look at the published estimates for space. I think there are ways those numbers get managed. On the other hand, the Defender - like the older LR models - offers something beneficial for space: cabin height. The Toyota 4Runner (which was the basis for the prior model GX) had...

and if you notice all of the off road advertising on Defender, it often shown with a solid roof. In other words, from an advertising perspective, JLR knows that a fishbowl is not ideal in a more unforgiving terrain. The reality is that production has been so high, they can't configure both the...

You don't need massage seats in Defender - it has air suspension:giggle:. As for space, the 130 is surely bigger than the GX.

I am always dubious as to what counts: there are small issues, like when the heater goes out, or a gas gauge is not working properly. Then there's catastrophic engine failures, or a part that breaks (maybe after hitting a pothole), that makes the car no longer safe to drive until repaired. It...

totally agree: "grandpa mobile" detractors are just their way of saying it's a big and expensive vehicle. I think it looks great. I will try the OT for sure. Will it be better than a Defender? Not sure yet, but the GX OT has 2 things Defender doesn't have: a solid roof and 18" rims. A solid...

I agree about Ineos today.... Here in the US, it's probably 2x the cost of a Toyota 4Runner. Toyota has had probably 50 years to build out their network and credit to them, it's what you need for reliability. But the price point difference is a huge factor that will limit who decides to buy a...

Welcome! Did you ever check out the Grenadier? I would expect them to be pretty popular in the outback? The way I view Grenadier is that it's an off road SUV you can surely drive on pavement if you want to. Whereas the GX and the modern Defender are primarily tarmac, but certainly equipped...

Have you driven Defender? I have, and found it wonderful. The thing about LR is that "luxury" comes accross as passenger comforts. It's not a flashy sell, but if you have driven Defender or any of the older LR models (2/3/4), you can see that the passenger comfort is there. The reason I'm...

I've had a LR2 now almost a decade. It too avoided most of the problems that are likely more RR. My LR2 has crazy strong parts - they just don't break. I too bought a warrenty, but didn't use it as it's just been a well built car. I had a Forrester before the LR, and it was crumbling -...

IDK about Lexus car care, but for my existing LR, the money to the dealership has likely been in servicing it. Do they need to crank up the MSRP? Not really, as that would implode their "after" sales at the service department. I think there are probably some dealers that do it anyways, but...

My predicament exactly. The Grenadier looks cool, and it's clearly capable off road, but living with it as a daily driver? It's a tough purchase when a Defender or GX Overtrail can probably do 80% of what that Grenadier can do off road, and keep you comfortable along the way. I think the...

I also don't think a GX Overtrail buyer will settle for the Grenadier experience. There's alot to a solid front axle driver, and having sat in a Grenadier (not driven one), it's really not super practical. Small cup holders in the front, and the rotary dial (to control the infotainment) is in...

I agree - at $85k you should get the GX you want, not the one they have on the lot. If it's not the right configuration on the first batch to the dealer, eventually you'll get what you want. JLR does ordering smart: you place your order and then wait. Waiting is the price you pay to get the SUV...

I have an LR2, love it, so I'm not selling it. If I end up with a GX Overtrail, it would become my primary driver. The LR2 has been reliable and fun, so it will be an extra for when I don't want to drive the bigger GX. If I don't buy the GX Overtrail, I'll end up with a new 110 Defender...

the Grenadier trip mapping - to me - was not ideal. The outside looks fantastic! But most high priced cars should have on-board NAV via satellite. If you have only google maps, you likely have google marketing, preferences, suggestions, and likely google storing your locations. on my old LR...

It's not just consumers that want buttons. The NHTSA has become more critical of manufactures making iPad controls as a poor & dangerous manufacturing decision. An iPad is less beneficial to drivers (from a crash statistic perspective). Sure, Tesla can offer you only an iPad, but some Tesla...

or wait a year. IMO at $85k+ these are pricey luxury buys. do I want one? sure, but I can buy a family SUV for $60k, so for the price point these will be at, eventually, there will be enough supply to match demand. I think the older model GX is out there at MSRP, and I think these will be...

I tested a $75k 4 door Bronco Wildtrack. It was awesome fun. But practical on a day to day basis with a family? Maybe not. My family is hoping the GX Overtrail hits all the boxes.

I've been told there's no deposits yet?! I have a dealer that will call me when the cars arrive, so maybe different dealers do different things? Also, I looked up GX sales: the average sales per year (if I lump the prior 5 years together) is about 30,000 cars per year. This is not a small...

I found the old GX with the swing door odd. Isn't the swing door for a spare tire? Like if you get a flat and you're not on pavement, how's the location under the SUV a winner? The swing door, IMO, had always been there to hold the spare tire and keep it more protected than what the elements...

I know the press on the backlog is big, but eventually folks have to buy. IMO, the $75k that many of these will roll out of dealers for is very likely to limit the buyers. How many folks love the RR? Right, but then they realize they can't buy a RR and settle for a Velar or crappy Evoke, and...

there's some other good reviews on Goodyear Wrangler with Kevlar (who wouldn't benefit from a Kevlar tire?), and Wildpeak. I think the GX letting consumers buy different tires in the aftermarket is great. It's one reason I'm here vs. the Defender forums (you can't put 18" rims on a Defender...