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I'd agree: not only wait out the dealers marking up, but just avoid them completely. An economic recession is a wonderful time to buy a new luxury SUV. Can't say when that happens, of course, but dealer strength is ultimately subject to economic reality and circumstances of potential buyers...

thanks for the PDF! I was looking at roof rack weight limits, and it's about 165 lbs. This is not bad, but it's not special either. I think the LR Defender is about 2x this limit, and the newly developed and produced Grenadier can hold over 800 lbs (static). The GX has some features the...

I'd expect dealer gouging and markups to at some point iron out. On a first edition, maybe. But the GX can get to over $80k, and at some point, it's competing with Mercedes and BMW and even a slightly used but the full sized RR. The Defender is already competitive on pricing, and feature...

I'm hearing April as well.

Yea, custom orders are kinda an entry for a luxury purchase. I get you can't custom a $40k Toyota. But on a $75k SUV that is for (most likely) full family use, I do think some degree of custom is expected. Most buyers at that price point probably don't care if it takes 3 months or 6 months...

If Lexus goes all "let's pretend EVs are always right" with their screen (unlikely) then all functions are likely going to one computer chip and/or fuse. Forget the cost of the knobs - it's also the independent and separation of wiring that adds manufacturing costs. If there's a problem with...

I had read that luxury manufacturers (like Porsche) were busy adding buttons back into their high end cars. Why? Because a iPad in a car is cheap. It turns out that luxury consumers want buttons, knobs, and dials. You want a large iPad type screen too - it's a luxury, so you want both...

The GX Overtrail looks great with the roof rack and the rock sliders. Did Lexus also post the weight limits for each? The roof rack would have a static as well as a separate dynamic load max rating, and the rock sliders can be either ornamental or structurally engineered to support as much as...

This is a demerit for Lexus! It's an opportunity for Lexus to offer custom builds for a high end large purchase. I totally get it for commodity models, but for a $85k+ family SUV? Yea, I think custom should be an option available, and go so far as to say it's an expectation in the luxury car...

does the Overtrail look to be able to fit KO2s? I tested a (used) Bronco Badlands that must have had them as an after-market purchase. Whatever, they looked and drove awesome. What's the compare of the factory Toyo's to KO2s?

I'm looking at the Overtrail+ Although I think all trims have value and are great, the Overtrail has the features I am looking for and the only configurations I'd buy. I will absolutely delete the moon roof so I can buy a roof rack in it's place. I load the roof, so I don't want glass up...

Enjoy! and good you didn't go bmw x5 - that's soooooo different than what you now have with your new GX!!

These TFL guys are great. Years ago they had a new Defender and took it to a trail (good luck finding the video!) The tires kept deflating (hit a rock). It was an unexpected sight to see - this big, capable, super modern Defender that was clearly defeated several times by a rock the size of a...

Like many shoppers, I too find myself debating and comparing between the GX Overtrail (absolutely only trim I'd go for) vs. the 110 Defender. I've tested the Defender and driving, it's wonderful. Interior space and features - also wonderful. The reason I'm even looking at the Overtrail? The...