24 vs 25 OT OEM 1” Lift Details via reddit

I doubt there is anything going on other than there aren't a million of both out there yet (particularly the 25) and people are busy with something else, etc. But, I'm happy to see evidence of a master conspiracy to overcharge those of us who want a modest lift :).
I’m just being grumpy about it…

I got the email yesterday that my front and rear springs are back ordered out to late April (rear) and late June (front) and then ran into an issue with a company that was *supposed to be building my front bumper, and found out that it was going to be an additional nine weeks but they were actively choosing to not communicate that to those of us that had been waiting since early December, as early supporters. What’s even more frustrating is that not only did they then discount the bumper, they offered free shipping on every single other product the sell/build, except the front bumper for the 250. I tried to be diplomatic about it and let them keep my money to encourage them to get the first run fully completed and built, but the lack of concern on their part was enough to make me pull the plug on the whole affair and move on to another company. I know I will now wait again but I ended up losing a couple of small deposits that became a substantial amount, due to cancelling a trails trip, because the truck wouldn’t be complete in time.

Is what it is…life goes on…I was just being silly…not a conspiracy guy. My apologies.
 
I hear you! No apology necessary, I'm also frustrated by lack of info on it, and mildly irritated that Lexus increased the lift without telling me how to make mine the same :).
I guess we'll get it sorted out at some point.
Best,
Mark
 
A few updates and thoughts on this topic, would love hear this group's inputs on these development and poke holes my thinking to keep me honest. Sorry for the wall of words.

I have read and heard elsewhere (this forum, reddit, etc.) that the 2024 and 2025 Overtrails have the same ground clearance and suspension components. Even when speaking to Westcott sales, he parroted this falsehood in saying their engineer found zero differences between the '24 & '25 OT's suspension components. He went as far as to say "it was a sales gimmick by Lexus calling out increased ground clearance for 2025 OT models as it was already present on 24 OT's". Further, the fact they are using the same kit for '24 & '25 OT's indicates they believe that both years have the same suspension components.


Skeptical that a reputable outfit like Westcott would be wrong about this, I went to a Lexus dealership so I could compare '24 vs '25 OT clearances in person. Photos are attached and I apologize for any parallax error. Hopefully folks can see the difference between the two:
View attachment 9841
View attachment 9842

View attachment 9844
View attachment 9845

In summary: '25 OT's do indeed have a +1" lift compared to '24 OT's

I still believe that the spring coils are the only suspension component difference between '24 & '25 OT's. I've had this corroborated by the multiple Lexus parts departments willing to go down that rabbit hole with me. In speaking to Westcott, they said that installing their kit on a '25 OT would still yield the full +2.5" in the front.


If true, installing Wescott's Preload kit to a '25 OT means you would get 3.5" lift over a stock '24 OT height. As stated previously, '25 OT's have the exact same suspension components as '24 OT's except for the coils. In that case, you're essentially lifting a '24 OT +3.5" in the front. I wonder if this start's to become a concern for your UCA's, CV axles, etc.?

I've went ahead and pulled the trigger on the '25 OT spring coils for my '24 OT. Ordered through Longo Lexus:
2x Spring Coil Front - 48131-60U30
2x Spring Coil Rear - 48231-60Q00


I'll keep this group posted as things progress on my end. I'll be sure to post pictures comparing the two model year springs side by side as well.

ETA is mid-April but I'll very surprised if that is met.

A few other curious items that I've run into:
  • In speaking to the Longo Lexus, they relayed that the Rear Coil part # I ordered is for both '24 & '25 OT's and that my current '24 OT already has these coils
  • I believe Longo Lexus has error on their end, but in the event that I already have these springs on the rear (which I highly doubt) I've confirmed that I can return them
  • I'm fairly certain my '24 OT does not have rear coils "48231-60Q00" because my height measurements are identical to the '24 I cited in the attached pictures
  • When I plug my vin into the Lexus parts website, says "no vehicles found". Perhaps it's because my '24 is a very late production date? Does anyone else have this issue? They don't even have '25 GX550's parts listed
Update 3 of x:
-Longo Lexus has shipped my springs via UPS and are scheduled to arrive at my doorstep this Saturday.
-I am second guessing my approach & criticism of Westcott's kit based on Todgrubb's comment - the Westcott kit adds 1.5" in the front (not the 2.5" stated on Westcott's website)
-Conversely, Bluegill comments in the same thread that his rake w/ the Westcott kit is 1.125" but w/ larger rubber (which I don't think should effect but not sure)
-The stock rake is somewhere between 1.75"-2". I have seen 2" cited consistently and it's what I roughly observed.

In light of this - would I be crazy to install ONLY the Westcott front collars to get my GX level (in addition to the 2025 OT springs)? Or does this risk giving the GX a prerunner stance?

Thanks in advance for your advice and input!
 
Someone asked if ride quality would change with the 2025 springs - and some seemed to think it would not. In my experience with suspension on bikes, motorcycles, and cars/trucks, a change in spring rate without any change in damping characteristics would absolutely change the ride quality. In this case, a stiffer spring would almost certainly result in a somewhat stiffer ride, given that the damping circuits did not change, unless there's some type of adaptive/electronic damping at work. Anyone have any insights?
 
So i call ed my lexus dealer, they told me that the correct part # for the 25 Overtrail front spring is 48131-60T31 based on a 25 Overtrail model and NOT 48131-60U30, that was posted. The rears are the correct part #
So now I am confused which one to order. 48131-60T31 or 48131-60U30.

Because of this new info, I just canceled my order.
 
Last edited:
So i call ed my lexus dealer, they told me that the correct part # for the 25 Overtrail front spring is 48131-60T31 based on a 25 Overtrail model and NOT 48131-60U30, that was posted. The rears are the correct part #
So now I am confused which one to order. 48131-60T31 or 48131-60U30.

Because of this new info, I just canceled my order.
What a confused situation. Once some folks get something and see it and put it on, we'll have much more clarity. My thanks to those who are on the tip of the spear.
 
So i call ed my lexus dealer, they told me that the correct part # for the 25 Overtrail front spring is 48131-60T31 based on a 25 Overtrail model and NOT 48131-60U30, that was posted. The rears are the correct part #
So now I am confused which one to order. 48131-60T31 or 48131-60U30.

Because of this new info, I just canceled my order.
I've had a similar conversation & feedback with w/ several dealers and eventually drilled down to a few key questions that guided my decision/logic:
-For 48131-60T31 - why does the vehicle fitment show 2024 AND 2025 on the various websites? Per the Lexus parts website -‘24 OT Front Spring part number is 48131-60T71
-For 48131-60T31 - why is the Premium trim noted but Overtrail trim is not? 60T71 specifically calls out Overtrail trim
-For 48131-60U30 - what does it fit, if not the ‘25 OT? Why is it called out on the parts diagrams in your system?
-Lastly, what are the respective FDATES for the parts?

This series of questions usually leads them to conclude that something is off in their system and it’s best to go off the part diagrams (that I attached in my original Reddit post).

I agree w/ Markmanner, this situation is confused but we'll have some answers soon enough. If my logic doesn't pan out, at least other's will learn from my error(s) and we'll have more clarity.
 
-I am second guessing my approach & criticism of Westcott's kit based on Todgrubb's comment - the Westcott kit adds 1.5" in the front (not the 2.5" stated on Westcott's website)
-Conversely, Bluegill comments in the same thread that his rake w/ the Westcott kit is 1.125" but w/ larger rubber (which I don't think should effect but not sure)
-The stock rake is somewhere between 1.75"-2". I have seen 2" cited consistently and it's what I roughly observed.
Here are my current ground-to-bottom-of-wheel-arch measurements through the center of the front & rear wheels.

Westcott pre-load collar lift is about 9 months old and tires are 35x12.5x17 same age.

Measured with the tip of the tape measure on the level garage floor, running vertically up over the center of the wheel center cap, to the bottom of the wheel arch. I made sure the camera lens was parallel with the bottom of the wheel arch.

Current measurements are:
38.25" front
39.5" rear
difference (forward rake) of 1.25".

The same measurements collected immediately after the lift in July 2024 were:
38.75" front
39.875 (39 & 7/8") rear
difference (forward rake) of 1.125" (1 & 1/8")

4-14-25-FRONT.JPG
4-14-25-REAR.JPG
 
Back
Top